Some older (Shinshinto) The reverse is also not true - if a sword is not signed does not mean it is machine made. Sorry Its not even a good fake. By Wayne i would have called bad on it, think F&G early book had balls that big, remember two diff stacked ball stamp, or not, memory, lol, i jest. Modern replicas may look like antique swords; be it a tachi, katana, wakizashi or tanto. Here is a decent fake Stu W. posted over on WAF. Real swords, decorative, historical, fantasy; humor, social, ID requests, shopping help, art; all sword-related topics are welcome (we are not very strict about topicality)! Japanese WWII swords are amongst the most copied/faked of all swords and prospective buyers should beware. from China Here is another example that's not too bad, but the bohi, stamps (these are most obvious parts) and other details are off. June 23, 2016 in Military Swords of Japan. No habaki. But a small percentage made its way back to the United States and into the collector market. Please quote item reference S72 (0690). A subreddit for enthusiasts, practitioners, collectors, and investigators of swords (and related historical weapons). A World War II Type 95 Japanese Army NCO sword on which the sword blade and scabbard both have matching serial numbers. & valuations. So if they put their mind to it, an NCO sword should be no problem to reproduce. An excellent example of a World War II Type 95 Japanese Army NCO sword that was obviously carried in the field of combat operations. Some of these bone swords will have very low grade metal mountings, commonly with the Tokugawa mon incised into or embossed on the mountings. Original Item: Only One Available. The painted handle and scabbard color look very nice, even though there were still some parts not correct compared to the real one, but it will fool a lot of people, like many dealers, there main concern is profit, regardless of the piece being a reproduction. There are a few small nicks on the edge of the blade, but they are hard to photograph. How the sword is mounted has nothing to do with its age or authenticity. There's a technical term for it in Australia. The Japanese Type 95 pattern Army NCO's sword is one of the most reproduced / faked swords in the world, be warned. That's why I addressed here. View cart for details. I would recommend you check with your original person who raised the concern about it's originality. by differential tempering of the blade. October 27, 2017 in Military Swords of Japan. Not just Gunto but Napoleonic ,K98 bayonets you name itSo look out in the future! All correct! Blade is 26.25 inches long, with an overall length of 36.25 inches. There are two NCO late stage on Ebay now. blade - most likely a WW II NCO sword. Everything for sale on ima-usa.com is completely legal to own, trade, transport and sell within the United States of America. Cheers to Dan for bringing it to my attention. I agree, once they start nailing the kissaki and proper proportions it will be a minefield out there. These items are purchased for the quality of the carving only. a good first indicator. (hamon). WW II era swords will show prominent grain (hada). Powered by Invision Community. Hi I'm a newly signed up member of the site. Typical WWII Imperial Japanese Army style fittings, with a single suspension ring from the scabbard, known as the "New Military Sword" (shin guntou) style. Clear editor. Be sure to read Reproductions and Fakes. These take that shape of various dragon figures, Japanese peasants, fish etc. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. Most sword canes were produced in the late 19th Century - early 20th Century. Out of stock. on a single criteria. As above100% fakejust look at the fit on the saya throatBut yes they are getting betterBought a sword at a recent big militaria fair,actually two swordsleft them with the sellers instead of carrying them around when I came to pick them up was approached by a very polite Chinese fella who offered to buy them at a premium off meHe didn't hide anything said he was sending them back to ChinaAt the end of the show he had bags fullhe looked like ' Buckin Bronco ' carrying them away ! For more recent exchange rates, please use the. This product is available for international shipping. and scabbards were frequently separated and ended up being "married" For questions or accessibility help - please call (908) 903-1200. The process of tsuka-maki (handle wrapping) is quite complicated. Guaranteed authentic: A WW2 Type 95 Japanese army NCO's sword, Kokura arsenal stamp. Replica swords and many Traditionally this function is assigned to the Habaki (blade collar). "Ninja swords" are a Hollywood fiction. 2- no screw is used as per T-95 usual fashion on the hilt but a special screw assembly located on the pommel and holed for the sword knot. However, it is ultimately the responsibility of the buyer to be in compliance of laws that govern their specific location. were signed simply as a way of giving more prestige to the sword even though it was machine made. It sounds to me like he was indeed a 3rd party procuring items. Seppa intergrated in the fuchi is a no go here. a "real" sword and certainly not an antique. They are referred to as "hocho tetsu" (kitchen steel) - a most derogatory term in sword circles. Benefits CHARITY. IMA considers all antique guns offered on our website as non-firing, inoperable and/or inert. Paste as plain text instead, Many modern replicas and iaito have aluminum blades. Please consider starting a new thread rather than reviving this one, unless your post is really relevant and adds to the topic.. There are some very knowledgeable and experienced folk here and you can trust their deduction. Obviously I can't be sure, but that's my guess anyway. WW II era swords have been put into shirasaya or Ivory has a distinctive grain. All orders are subject to acceptance by IMA Inc, which reserves the right to refuse any order. The overall swords are getting better. By Newer swords will have a grey, metallic tang perhaps with a little red rust. I thought it would be a good idea to post a few old pictures of mine where I highlighted the considerable differences between Type 95 swords. This is a fake for at least two obvious reasons : 1- copper hilted type 95's, or 1st generation T-95's are very scarce and have only 4 digits serial numbers (around 6000 produced). Here is my last IJA type 95 copper handle nco sword the I own. Screws. Could someone simply call the most obvious differences from the original? One thing I also saw while researching is the nightmare of the number of fakes out there. Have always thought the comments about not tipping off the forgers are just plain silly.I still do.The image of some rough factory in China where they are turning these outand some guy on a computer somewhere shouting out in Chinese into the factory "Hey guys! Free shipping. A new sword was pointed out to me recently which is very well made and in fact at first glance addresses a lot of the issues with obvious fakes. It is Type 95 with an aluminum tsuka. I have been asked this many times at shows, from dealers and buyers. To a novice who buys on impulse..then asks in the forums.you'll get BURNT. A real hamon You may severely injure yourself and/or damage the sword. Unfortunately, the scabbards serial number does not match the swords . Most soldiers and citizens surrendered their swords to the American occupying forces. Most of the Gun News That is Fit to Print! The position of the number on the blade, configured to be read with the cutting edge down, identifies the sword as having been produced by the Tokyo Arsenal (The only other source for the Type 95 sword was the Nagoya arsenal, which impressed the number on the blade in such a way that it is read with the cutting edge facing up). The metal of the scabbard has the patina of old iron. This claims to be made by Suya Shoten, but their standards and quality control were much higher than this. Today I checked, just in case the sword was pulled from sale, and lo and behold there is a 'rare copper handle' now listed, clearly of the same manufacturer. Authorized for production in 1935, the Type 95, commonly referred to as the NCO sword was all-machine made unlike the more expensive and higher-quality Officers sword. June 23, 2016. like many dealers, there main concern is profit, regardless of the piece being a reproduction. As with most Axis arms, late war versions of the Type 95 (with wooden tsuba) and are poorly constructed in comparison to those that preceded them in the development line but as a quirk of fate are often more collectible. Unfortunately have to agree with Brian, as prices move upwards, the copies will inevitably get better. Mission Ready, Qualified & Competent, On Time Execution! It is terrible. Swords with carved bone handles and scabbards are Real swords only had flat-head screws. General McCarthur did not want the general population to be able to arm again. Referencing Carlo's post from last year, I also used to collect some German (for MANY years) and was quite confident in my ability to spot fakes, but I admit the quality is now off the charts (especially helmets) and it forced me totally out of that hobby. The sword sheathes and draws very well, and the Etchings. Sorry for the bad news. Serial number placement. Sometimes they get irate. NCO Katanas were issued to soldiers who did not want to take their family sword to battle or who came from poor families that did not have swords to pass down through the generations. By placing an order, the buyer represents that he/she is in compliance with the law and will utilize the items in a lawful manner. One, they aren't in the correct range. You can't sell weapons on ebay.de it is forbidden and ebay close your account. Vice versa, antique blades are occassionally found I offered to send photos or provide opinions from experienced collector's. I was so stupid to have some and sold it - for better swords. Swords of this type were made in all sizes, from tanto to katana or tachi. - it will reduce its value by at least 50 percent!! Sponsored. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. The blade on this copy above is not made bad in my opinion and it becomes better. original copper coloured paint and is in very good shape. Katana | HEAVY Cutter For HEAVY Targets. They just copy the real swords they import.Just comment what you like, you are not changing anything. I'm not going to go into details. 20062021 Nihonto Message Board Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Japanese Arisaka Type 99 Last Ditch Complete Bolt With Matching Serial Numbers at the best online prices at eBay! IMA considers all antique guns offered on our website as non-firing, inoperable and/or inert. This sword I shared with Steve (this thread) is a very good knowledge test - the goofy belt hanger (Bruce references) made me discount the sword immediately, but on closer look (my opinion) the stamps are a bit better than the other, cheaper fakes out there on the market. Serial number placement. Yeah I guess Japanese military swords don't get much attention from the well known names. WWII JAPANESE TYPE 98 ARMY SHIN-GUNTO SWORD!!! These were made as tourist items from the 1870's through the 1930's. The end of WWII marked the beginning of the sword ownership ban in Japan. About 80,000 of the Ko sabers were produced between 1899 and 1936, with the lowest reported serial number being 1175 and the highest one being 83390. If the peg (mekugi) or screw holding the handle (tsuka) onto the blade can be removed and the handle safely removed (use care not to damage the handle or blade - the complete handle should slide off the end of the tang), examination of the tang (nakago) can tell much about the age of the blade. By law, Japanese citizens were forbidden to own swords. But machine made swords like this one do not have the accuracy of manufacturing that enable the Habaki to perform such a function. Essentially, the blade has the Nagoya factory stamp next to the serial number however the Fuchi appears to only have one stamping . This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. The 26 3/8 inch nagasa (cutting edge section) blade is in very Buy It Now. The saya/scabbard number should be on the top of the scabbard, where it's covered when the sword is sheathed. Copyright 1995-2023 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. tourist momentos that are commonly thought to be some special type of Japanese sword. Press J to jump to the feed. Please see our. Further The Type 95 NCO sword is similar in appearance to officers Type 94 and Type 98 Shin-gunt military swords, but is made of lower quality materials, most notably its hilt, which is made from metal and the scabbard was similar to that of the Type 32 with a prominent drag. Lets hope the guys that make the fakes arent reading all this and learning what to improve. C $1,999.99 . 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By the way, the MILLIONS of copy ROLEXS have not slowed the demand for the real thing, or stopped prices rising. Akunin Greetings. Obvious two issues are the scabbard pattern and additional screw. Free shipping for many products! By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. / full sized images available upon request. It is said that during battle soldiers would not use the ring but rather would stick the sword through the belt the same way as the Samurai in ancient times. This is pure fiction. There are also numerous reproduction and fake Japanese swords on Traditionally this function is assigned to the Habaki (blade collar). Slowly improving. Blade is 26.5 inches long, with an overall length of 36.5 inches. Cut-out version brass tsuba. Machine made blade is good condition. Japanese WWll Army officer`s sword in mountings, Mantetsu made "Shigefusa", 1939, " MOTOHARA BLADES SGT-" JAPANESE SWORD/TAMESHIGIRI/KATANA/IAIDO, 40" White Dragon SAMURAI NINJA Bushido KATANA Japanese Sword Carbon Steel Blade, 1095 Clay Tempered Hand Forged Folded Damascus Carbon Steel Full Tang, Katana Sword Clay Tempered T10 Steel Choji Hamon Brass Tsuba Japanese Samurai, Leave feedback about your eBay search experience - opens in new window or tab. The real tsukas have crisp detail, and the fakes always seem not-crisp. No single indicator alone will determine whether a sword blade is an Also, the tang on this is full length, with two holes. I sent the seller a message. Gun magazine laws, concealed weapons laws, laws governing new made display guns, airsoft guns, blank fire guns, and other items vary greatly by nation, state and locality. There is not much more complicated (and valuable) as ROLEX watches. Where should I look for records or production date/serial number guides? The hilt paint is only about 30%, but still shows much of the yellow accent paint. This sword has a cast aluminium tsuka (hilt) with an approximately 10mm thick ornate aoi-shaped brass tsuba (guard). Does anyone know if theres a production dating list for the different manufacturers of the type 95 nco swords ? All NCO swords were numbered. Imperial Japanese Army (IJA) Type 95 NCO Shin Gunto. In Germany the only plattform for weapons is egun. And even if your intentions are completely legitimate, the "bad guys" are still out there and could read this post. This example has a matching serial number 55250 on both the blade and the throat of the scabbard. 2023 GriffinMilitaria.com. Didn't want to explain to much, because that sword copys get better and better. Examine the hamon with a magnifying glass. These are all machine made and are not classified as "Nihonto". All the best. The early serial number shows this sword saw service throughout The sad part is someone probably will buy one of them too. 20062021 Nihonto Message Board I'll be an optimist Did he say to use as the basis for copies? Make the gap between the arsenal marks less! There are some Chinese replicas of these out there, however this sword is definitely genuine. The saya the mounts can be interesting with hidden, spring loaded, pop out guards. Title 18, U.S. Code, Section 921(a)(16) defines antique firearms as all guns manufactured prior to 1899. Hi there what would you expect to pay for a aluminium handled no 3 sword with some blade staining/surface rust and a dentless scabbard with some surface rust? This page was last updated: 04-Mar 05:55. I figured it might be useful to others. Even non-mechanical artsy-fartsy stuff. If the blade is aluminum, the sword is not The aluminium hilt / tsuka has good amounts of its They are unfortunately getting pretty good now. I searched into the rest of the Japanese items on the site. A number of opinions have been provided, some with hints of the issues. or old wood sticks. Celebrating the Past, Present and Future of Navy Cryptology, Official site for National Guard marksmanship training & competitions. Everything to know Japanese 95 nco swordPlease visit our Ebay store and subscribe to our channel https://www.ebay.com/str/thediamondmonkey42You will find in . Look at the bohi at the kissaki and the arsenal marks are terrible! Sincerely, Eugene Quote vajo Gold Tier 5.8k Location:Germany / Bavaria Name: Chris Sch. There is a suspicion that this is a fake. In my searches, I've compiled a list of things that (usually Chinese) reproductions get wrong. Older swords will have more rusted tangs, ranging from brown to smooth deep black rust for the oldest swords. Used In good condition! The first question to be answered - is it a real sword or a modern replica or an age of a Japanese sword, seek advice from a reputable collector. kink one side but is overall very good for its age; the locking Gun magazine laws, concealed weapons laws, laws governing new made display guns, airsoft guns, blank fire guns, and other items vary greatly by nation, state and locality. Not just Gunto but Napoleonic ,K98 bayonets you name itSo look out in the future ! Every musket, rifle, display machine gun, machine gun parts set or gun sold by IMA, Inc is engineered to be inoperable according to guidelines provided by the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATF). Learn how your comment data is processed. This being despite the machine made blade an cast aluminum hilt. Please see our. $4200. I just want an accurate reproduction. The one thing that always sets off alarms on these is the tsuka almost looks blurred or sandblasted, the real NCO's are usually crisp and bold and well defined. If you cannot see this grain or do not know what to look for, assume it is carved bone, not ivory. Never use force to remove the handle.) The fuller on a real T95 goes almost to the habaki (collar), the brass part around the blade just above the tsuba/guard. Your previous content has been restored. Collectible Japanese Katanas, Japanese WWII Swords, Japanese Straight Razor, Japanese Tea Cup; Additional site navigation. sword clubs in many cities. World War 2 Historian, Relic Hunter and expert in identification of WW2 relics. (Do not remove the rust). See each listing for international shipping options and costs. The painted handle and scabbard color look very nice, even though there were still some parts not correct compared to the real one, but it will fool a lot of people. Steel is magnetic - aluminum is not. I probably say this way too much BUT to flog a dead horse, the NCOs have a ton of small variations between subcontractors and between batches themselves, so just something to keep in mind. And with the wrong type stamps. We assume no liability associated with misuse of our products. What a bunch of junk. 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Anyway, if ok, can I post some pictures to get your expert opinion on my purchase? None of the replicas have this feature. Typical WWII Imperial Japanese Army style fittings, with a single suspension ring from the scabbard, known as the "New Military Sword" (shin guntou) style. Most WW II era blades are not sharpened all the down to the habaki (collar). Of the eight army arsenals active in the war only Kokura, Tokyo First and Nagoya were involved in the Type 95 program. most certainly mean the blade is handmade. will show tiny dots/specks (nioi and/or nie) along and between the border of the hamon and the rest of the blade. Around $1.000. You can post now and register later. Even so, enough to fool a novice. This example has a matching serial number 93225 on both the blade and the throat of the scabbard. Rare 1st Type with matching numbers "4428" on blade and scabbard. Writing about whatever interests me, and maybe you. I'm not an expert on Japanese swords, so I'll be glad with the maximum information on this Type 95. Be the first to know of our latest discoveries and exclusive offers. The 67 cm (not including the habaki) blade is in near mint condition. A great early war example at a low price; yours for ? I very much doubt that it would matter, but even someone with a repro would be able to use that information to create a fake. Description. This is a great and guaranteed genuine Japanese NCO's Type 95 sword that was carried by a career soldier. Sword canes (Shikomi-zue) mostly have very low grade blades. This product is available for international shipping. It now takes an expert to tell the difference between a Chinese $25 copy ROLEX and the real deal, right down to the automatic movement. Otherwise that is dangerously good to newcomers or unwary collectors looking for that ebay goldmine. 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