Tuck rule or not the raiders got robbed. And having the help of replay, the ref ref who overturned the fumble should have been fired on the spot. You my friend do not ever need to make another post regarding the tuck rule. Were things run differently back then? section: | slug: tom-brady-admits-controversial-tuck-rule-game-play-might-have-been-a-fumble-and-not-an-incomplete-pass | sport: football | route: article_single.us | Also the fact that Pereria had to struggle with defending it FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS after the fact before finally COMING CLEAN only goes to prove the point that the Tuck Rule is a BAD rule (sorry Harrisonhits2 your logic above is as bad as usually). The Patriots were the #2 seed in the AFC playoffs, having posted an 115 winloss record in the regular season. Is, To avoid this problem, you may need to take iron with a small amount of food. Thank you. Raiders were the best team in the NFL from 2000-2003 WOULD OF BEEN LONGER PERHAPS IF IT WASNT FOR THAt SCUMBAG! How about this rule. His career would have taken the same path to greatness. What about Bill Belichick? If we would have gotten the call the way it should have been, the Patriots would have never drove down and tied the game up, thus no overtime drive, and again no field-goal. And as long as were griping about refs stealing playoff wins, at best the Raider should consider themselves even with the Patriots given the atrocious officiating in the 1976 Pats-Raiders game not only was the roughing the passer call on Hamilton just as big of a game changer as the Tuck Rule (BTW, that was totally a judgment call and it was BS), on the Pats previous possession, as they tried to pick up a first down to ice the game, LB Vilapiano locked Russ Francis arms at the elbows preventing him from reaching out and catching an easy pass that would have likely ended the game. When [an offensive] player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his arm starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body. But..the reversal was the correct call at the time, because thats the way the rule was written then, and thats the way the rule still reads today. If the ball lands in front of the QB, its an incomplete pass. He wasnt saying the call was wrong- but he disagreed (since he is no longer VP) with the committees view of what was a pass attempt or a fumble. Get 1 free month of Audible by clicking the link belowhttp://www.audibletrial.com/JKSCheck out the JKS website https://www.jacksonkruegersports.com/Follow me. Correct call. -. Study with Quizlet and memorize flashcards containing terms like "I volunteer!" I gasp. Yes maybe it was the correct rule or whatever, I'm not arguing that. The tuck rule is a smart rule, designed to eliminate controversy, and make it so officials dont have to spend time deciding what the intention of the thrower is. Also, if the player has tucked the ball into his body and then loses possession, it is a fumble.". Many feel it was a controversial play that allowed New England to move on, win their first Super Bowl and set the tone for all that have accomplished since. Is the tuck rule, on the other hand, still in effect? raidernationbaby says: The Raiders at one point paralyzed a Patriot player. It stated: NFL Rule 3, Section 22, Article 2, Note 2. Does the Patriots dynasty if you can call it that happen? Brady has six championship rings and nine total Super Bowl appearances, the most of any player in history. So, either way, Grudens time in Oakland was likely over. Think it through a little bit more. Since then, the match has been known as the 'Tuck Rule Game'. The game, played under a heavy snowfall, was the last at Foxboro Stadium. That should have been a roughing the passer call with 15 yards and a first down instead of just a second down. And thus a valid call. If it is taken out, you have to decide when the forward arm motion stops being a pass and starts to become fumble territory. Watch the replay!He never threw the ball. Throughout that game, the Patsies looked like crap with the exception of one drive in which Brady magically went 9 for 9 and threw a touchdown. Well, folks, The Bussy Contingency has been activated. One fumble would not have stopped him from working hard on his game and developing as he did. Im sure its no consolation to the many Raiders fans around the country.. @tombradyfumbled They have their best season in years andthey fire their coach.. Ive been a Raider fan for over 20 years now and this is my first post. I dont question whether the rule was correctly applied. That Tuck Rule loss to the Patriots may have paralyzed your franchise. At all the Raider knuckleheads: I would support a rule change, although it took me a long time to get to this point, Pereira said. So get over it, Charles Woodson. Gruden was asked about the "Tuck Rule" before the Raiders played the Patriots at Gillette Stadium on Sept. 27 . WELL SAID theandy59 Im age 52 and watched that game myself Then the refs had the gall to add two unsportsman penalties, putting the ball on the five yard line, when in fact the game should have been over. You need to educate yourself before posting here again. Nope. That's before and after the LOS so this would mean most passes would be contested on the field. Fact is, the refs blew that call and then the league tried to justify it by making a made-up interpretation of the rule. During the game, one play and referee ruling makes this an iconic and one of the most controversial games in recent NFL history: The Tuck Rule play. I think that the play 10 years ago should have been a fumble. lets 1)reinvent the rule book in the playoffs; 2) use the reinvention to OVERTURN the call on the field; 3) reward a qb who got made a fool out of on the play, and; 4) nullify an excellent defensive play. It was enforced to the letter of the law in 2001. Thats what most Raiders fans cant ever grasp: it was not a bad call. I dont even think Cassel was tucking the ball. In 2018, Gruden returned to coach the Raiders after a 9-year stint as a television analyst. To me it was pretty clearly an incomplete pass, tuck rule or no and Im not even a Chiefs fan. Brady's answer: probably not. In the overtime, Vinatieri kicked a 23-yard field goal to win the game for the Patriots. [14] Patriots owner Robert Kraft noted that Al Davis was probably looking down from the afterlife and happy that the rule had been abolished. That set the tone for two more Raiders Super Bowl victories in the following decade. Defies every logic. Your reasoning is flawed because you are obviously a biased patriot fan who enjoyed rodney harrision and his cheap shots. Jan 11, 2011 12:09 PM Two class of HatersOne class that likes challenging Raider fans and pointing out the many trials and tribulations of their team and complete morons. [1] The Broncos eventually went on to win the game. "[1] Pereira said the rule came up in games about 12 to 15 times per season and explained that despite its unpopularity, the competition committee had been unable to come up with a better rule. 6-keys: media/spln/nfl/reg/free/stories, By pressing sign up, I confirm that I have read and agree to the. 20 years later, the Tuck Rule remains one of the biggest and most polarizing moments in NFL history. Never mind. Brought into the game in 1999, the 'tuck rule' was controversial from the very beginning. Brady's Buccaneers went 13-4 this season but were knocked out of the playoffs in the Divisional round by the now Super Bowl-bound Rams. Whatever raider fans. Backup quarterback Tom Brady then led the offense to a playoff berth. Dip up, Hyacinth bulbs contain oxalic acid, which is poisonous. Losing on a fluke (and possibly bad) call is much more. ", 2020 THE SUN, US, INC. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED | TERMS OF USE | PRIVACY | YOUR AD CHOICES | SITEMAP, The 'tuck rule' became famous after a New England vs Oakland showdown in 2002, Brady in action during snowy conditions at what became known as the 'Tuck Rule Game'. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Except for two things. Why? Doesnt that now become a fumble because the passer held onto the ball past the predetermined point of a throwing motion? . but hey, at least they didnt bring out the snow plow for their FG attempt-or did they?? joesixpack doesnt know what a fumble is either. . Pereira said Carey properly applied the rule as its written, just as Pereira has always said referee Walt Coleman properly applied the rule when he overturned what appeared to be a Tom Brady fumble in a playoff game against the Raiders nine years ago. I said might. Also, when did the tuck rule go away? No choice but to respect the officials probably correct decision. That being said, this is the NFL and it is what it is until they change it. As it happens, his last game involved the Patriots. As a Raider fan, I have a different take on the matter. I question the existence of the Tuck Rule. Later in the quarter, Patriots receiver Troy Brown returned Shane Lechler's 37-yard punt 27 yards to the Patriots 46-yard line. The "Tuck Rule Game." It's a memory Raider Nation knows all too well. Brady himself admitted that if it weren't for the ruling, which was abolished in 2014 - today, if a player motions for a forward pass and loses possession, it is ruled a fumble - he would have. With less than two minutes left to play, the Patriots drove the ball down the field. Bullshit. What channel is the NFL Network on Time Warner Cable? The Tuck Rule was a rule in the National Football League (NFL) that stated that if a quarterback lost control of the ball while trying to bring it back to his body (and it was not because he fumbled it), it would be called an incomplete pass, not a fumble. The fact that so many Raider fans are still this upset tells me that things have evened out for that bad call in 1976. I think its time to change this rule, Pereira writes at FOXSports.com. It was 2001. It may have taken him a little longer to earn that genius label without that brilliant Super Bowl game plan he devised for the Rams on his resume. Let's look at some more examples of Tuck Rule-type plays from last season with a prediction of how they will be called in 2013. @tooz56 Pereira opined on the tuck rule because it was applied on Sunday, when Chiefs quarterback Matt Cassel went back to pass and dropped the ball when he was hit by Baltimore's Lardarius Webb. Your explanations for years were at best inconsistent. No more "was his arm going forward?" Hearing Lewis say that the tuck rule is the only reason we know about a man who's won three Super Bowls, has twice been named NFL MVP (including the first-ever unanimous MVP), has made 10. Raiders middle linebacker Greg Biekert then fell on the loose football. The NFL defended the call, but Bruce Allen, who ran the front office for the Raiders at the time of the game, said, "The rule itself doesn't bother me, but the way the rule is written, it was a fumble. No such rule ever existed. Oakland kneels on the ball and kills the clock. Cant have that! So the rule was fine for 10 years but now you see the wrong it it???? "[11], The Raiders complained extensively that the call was wrong, and that it was made against them because the league had a vendetta against the team, an attitude Oakland quarterback Rich Gannon said was "totally nonsense. A source told Ian Rapoport on Wednesday that the elimination of the "Tuck Rule" passed overwhelmingly at the NFL Annual Meeting in Phoenix. Had the play been ruled a fumble, the Patriots would have lost .

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